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BQ76952: 均衡功能开启时电压采集跳动很大

Part Number: BQ76952


你好,TI大神:

       目前用BQ76952做了一个16串控正端的BMS,按照官网推荐的原理图设计。调试发现MCU发送均衡功能开启指令时模拟前端采集到的电压幅度跳动很大,请帮忙分析异常原因,均衡开启功能时需要注意些什么时序,谢谢解惑~~

  • 您好,您用的是电池还是电阻分压器作为电池仿真器,使用电源和电阻分压器测试电池平衡功能以模拟电池时,通常会触发过压保护,这一情况或许能在 Safety Alert A 寄存器中观察到。这是因为,当其中一个电池上的电池平衡开启时,电阻分压器将会拉高其他电池输入的电压。 这会导致电池变得不稳定,从而触发过压状况。只要发生过压状况,电池平衡功能就会立即禁用。

  • 你好,用的是16串的磷酸铁锂电池组

  • 我这有用Battery Management Studio读取的数据均衡功能开启后电压采集测试异常.docx

  • 您好,您的电路方便提供一下吗?

  • BQ76952部分原理图见附件,原理图中的MMBT8050替换成推荐的MOSFET,还是一样现象。请教一下,MCU发指令设置均衡开启条件,均衡开启后是否需要MCU再发指令关闭,再让AFE采集。这应该是BQ76952内部控制采集时序吧。BQ76952.doc

  • @ 还请帮忙看看调试哪里出了问题。我一直在线等待,谢谢

  • 您好,由于问题比较复杂,我需要询问更了解这款芯片的TI工程师,再帮您解答,稍后回复。

  • 您好,请参考下面内容

    Could you please clarify the exact problem you are seeing?  Can you share a log file of this behavior so I can see the instability over time?

    From the image captures you have included in your original post, it looks like the top of stack cell voltage is measuring lower than the other cell voltages.  This can be caused when too many cells are balancing at the same time, which increases current flow into the top cell input.  This leads to a greater IR drop across the cell input resistor, potentially causing voltage measurement errors. To address this, you could use a 20 Ω resistor on the VC16 pin to reduce the IR drop while using 100 Ω on the other pins.  Although this may not be your main issue, it could make the voltage problems you are seeing worse.

    Section 2.5 Voltage Measurement Accuracy During Balance in the Cell Balancing with BQ769x2 Battery Monitors application note has more information on the issue I explained above, as well as other cell balancing considerations.  I will link it here: Cell Balancing With BQ769x2 Battery Monitors (Rev. A) (ti.com).

    Some other notes worth considering:

    • The base resistors you are using on the cell balancing BJTs have a high value.  240 Ohms is recommended in the app note.  If the base resistor value is too high, this can limit balanicng current.
    • There are Zener diodes between the cell input pins (ZD26, ZD27, ...) What are their values?  They can cause issues during balancing because they might not allow the voltages to pull to the correct levels during balancing. If they are 6.8V Zeners, then that is okay.
    • There are other miscellaneous schematic errors, such as the wrong REGIN capacitor value.  I would recommend watching the schematic creation video linked here: Creating the Schematic for BQ769x2 Battery Monitors - YouTube.
  • 你好,

        首先谢谢你的解答。我之前也做过调整RC电路,问题还是得不到解决。才发帖来寻求帮助。问题希望能尽快得到解决,还望多多支持。谢谢

    均衡开启:奇偶串数开启

    CH: 第一串均衡      CH2:第2串均衡

  • 您好,改善balance 时电压异常的建议上面已经给出,正在咨询更了解这款芯片的TI工程师,看是否还有别的建议。

  • 您好,是否有log数据和gg文件,这对分析很有帮助。

  • 您好,正在查询,稍后回复。

  • 您好,请参考下面寄存器设置建议

    • The Cell Balance Min Delta and Cell Balance Stop Delta parameters are very small (2mV and 1mV) - I do not recommend setting these values so low or the device will always be balancing. 
    • The Sleep settings are strange - Sleep is disabled in the Power Config register, but the DSG FET is set to go into source follower mode in sleep in the Chg Pump Control register. The Sleep Current setting (20mA) is much higher than the Dsg Current Threshold and Chg Current Threshold settings (10mA).
  • 你好

    1、设置均衡参数,是为了方便测试。就算这样设置也不允许出现这种异常。

    2、没处于SLEEP模式。这个参数不会影响到均衡功能。

    3、这款芯片其他应用端有没有出现类似的问题。

    4、项目拖得时间太长了。也希望你们自己能试试,尽快解决。

    5、虽然TI的芯片很不错,得不到解决,也会被抛弃。

  • 您好,目前没有出现过类似的问题。建议您试一下移除cell输入端的zerner,确认是不是这个导致的问题。

    您的balance电路有点疑惑:

    The connections BC0 to Q40 base, BC1 to Q39 base, BC2 to Q38 base make sense, but why are there connections from BAT0-R80 to Q40, BAT1-R79 to Q39, BAT2-R61 to Q38, etc.? Can they try removing R80, R79, R61, ...?

  • 你好,可以将你们测试时,静态下采集的电压及压差,然后使能静态均衡后,采集电压及压差数据可以发一下吗?

      TIDM788.PDF

  • 您好,由于我手边没有BQ76952EVM,正在找其他工程师要测试数据,稍后回复。

  • 这。。。大概什么时候啊。这个芯片的验证测试,这些数据应该有的啊   ovo

  • 您好,

    The voltage measurements will not be different after enabling cell balance. Cell balancing is paused each time a voltage measurement occurs - you can see waveforms in the cell balancing application report showing this duty cycle. 

    When you test cell balancing, you should use real cells. Cell balancing with the EVM resistor divider will not be stable and will cause the overvoltage alert to trigger which will disable balancing.

  • 前面都有说到使用的磷酸铁锂电池组。

  • 咱们能好好对待这个问题吗

  • 您好,使能平衡后电压检测没有区别,每次发生电压测量时都会暂停电池平衡,

    文档Cell Balancing With BQ769x2 Battery Monitors的波形可以看到。

  • 我应用测试现象也在这,明显存在异常啊

  • 你好,有其他联系方式吗 这样沟通太慢了

  • 您好,建议您用评估板做一下相同的测试,对比一下看是什么问题。非常抱歉没有其他沟通方式。

  • 上次说用BQ76952EVM测试,你那边有进行过吗

  • 您好,BQ76952正在申请,这个时间会比较久。

    建议在E2E英文论坛问一下有没有相关数据。

    e2e.ti.com/search

  • 你好 我后面又做了一些测试,RC电路51Ω,0.1uF;VC16电阻改为10R;这样调整会有其他问题吗

  • 现在我又遇到一个问题,用电子负载进行OFF/ON放电,开启负载瞬间,未触发保护,但是充放电MOS会关闭一下,后面查到是CP1升压这里电压下降了。CP1电容从0.1uf~2.2uf调整测试,还是会出现。

  • 您好,请将电路图和log数据发过来看一下

  • 您好,您发的原理图太模糊了,CP1在哪里没有找到。

  • 你好 我应该遇到和他是同样的问题,我小电流放电测试是没问题的,电流加到50安培时,一定出现,我有关注你在英文论坛上发送的问题,非常感谢你帮忙支持解决。他所提到原理图上的R295是 NC. https://e2e.ti.com/support/power-management-group/power-management/f/power-management-forum/1173074/bq76952-vgs-fluctuating-after-short-circuit-event?tisearch=e2e-sitesearch&keymatch=BQ76952#     

  • 您好,建议您用示波器抓一下波形,更方便说明问题。

    I did not see anything obvious on the schematic for the charge pump, but what is the circuit shown between the DSG pin and PACK+, is it a speed-up circuit? 

    I see that C51 is not connected anywhere. I also notice that there is no sense resistor in the schematic. The REGIN C46 should be 22-nF. The LD/PACK resistors also seem very large.

  • 这是我重新测试,用ITECH/IT8516C负载仪进行频繁OFF/ON40A放电。出现问题。

  • 这种测试条件下,偶尔导致BQ7695202PFBR恢复默认的配置参数。

  • 您好,CH1和CH2对应的是什么?

  • 你好,Star Xu

    1、PACK外接电阻60K,LD外接电阻55K

    2、REGIN我贴的是1uF,我这里会调整为22nF

    3、电流采样电阻0.5mohm

    4、那张示波器图片左下角有通道描述,CH1:Vchg_bat或者Vdsg_bat;CH2:Vcp1_bat

  • 您好,请参考下面的建议修改电路以后,做一下测试抓DSG or CHG pin, PACK+ and charge-pump的波形。

    • The LD/PACK resistors seem pretty large, these should be ~10-kOhm overall for each.
    • REGIN should be 22-nF.

    负载开关不会导致charge pump有问题,建议检查CHG/DSG是否有漏电流。

  • 我怀疑是升压泵输入导致的问题,我又做了些测试,出现问题的时候,将D39用镊子短接,波形好了许多了。后面我将BAT电路调整了一下,现在测试问题解决了,想知道这是什么原因。是不是升压泵不应该从BAT输入,应该单独增加一个引脚。

  • 您好,

    9 Power Supply Requirements

    The BQ76952 device draws its supply current from the BAT pin, which is typically connected to the top of stack point through a series diode, to protect against any fault within the device resulting in unintended charging of the pack. A series resistor and capacitor is included to lowpass filter fast variations on the stack voltage. During a short circuit event, the stack voltage may be momentarily pulled to a very low voltage before the protection FETs are disabled. In this case, the charge on the BAT pin capacitor will temporarily support the BQ76952 device's supply current, to avoid the device losing power.

  • 是的,这个我知道的。我做这个测试,是为了验证升压泵输入BAT的电路导致CP1被拉低的猜测。现在去掉二极管能解决目前的问题。想知道是什么原因导致的

  • 您好,询问更了解这款芯片的工程师,稍后回复。

  • 您好,请参考下面内容

    D39 is important to keep the BAT pin voltage from being pulled low during a very heavy load like a short-circuit event. However, F10 should not be in parallel with D39 and R66 should be 100 ohms since this is part of the filter for the BAT pin.

    RF1 should be at least 20 Ohms which is the minimum allowed cell input resistor by the datasheet specification.

  • D39肯定是要的,这个是合理的。现在要解决的问题是我上面提到的。感觉每次回答都是避开问题点..........  0^0

  • 可以根据我的测试条件来测试一下吗